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刚才实验了油直 感觉太危险了,我还是接着飞无刷。。。

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发表于 2010-2-28 17:45 | 只看该作者
原帖由 Edward 于 2010-2-28 17:02 发表

这个是很有意义的讨论,为什么发动机厂家都有在Specification上的Output一栏后面加上@ xxxxxx rpm?而电机则不需要?为什么发动机都有Practical rpm而电机则没有?为什么发动机要启动器才能启动,而电机则不用?
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I just don't care the difference between an engine and a motor. They are nothing to do about the topic what we argued about, but you tried hard to drag me into this. Truly, they are completely different two things, and I know that the engines can come with their max. toque and HP once some roration speed is reached. That was actually in the old time. The new generation engines has a range of the rorating speed, during which their max toque and HP can defelitely come out. Please don't talk to me like an idiot cause' my major was the about auto industries while in Canada. Lastly, I gotta repeat my POV, which is the main blade is the key to do damage to ppl when crash. Main blade is the murderer, not the engine or the motor!

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发表于 2010-2-28 17:55 | 只看该作者
总的,不管油的,电的,要绝对注意安全.安全每一!!!
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发表于 2010-2-28 20:32 | 只看该作者
原帖由 maple 于 2010-2-28 17:45 发表

I just don't care the difference between an engine and a motor. They are nothing to do about the topic what we argued about, but you tried hard to drag me into this. Truly, they are completely diffe ...

I am not sure what are you talking about,  if the difference of engines and motors is neglected, how can we identify which one is more dangerous? As you can see, this is our topic. And as for the mentioned difference, What I have been talking about really matters.

An engine or a heatengine, as you know, has to work in a specific rotation rate in order to maintain the cycle, or Carnot cycle. This is the primary principle of a heatengine,  and no matter how new an engine is, it can not violate the Carnot cycle.


The key here is that a heatengine can reach its max output only by runing in one fixed rpm-torque combination, any interruptions can easily kill it, thus it is an unstable system. This is why we introduced govenor and turn pipe to control the rpm.


In contrary, a motor is not restricted by the Carnot cycle, it can burst into its limit at any rpm, and sometimes unexpected. It is why I think an EP heli is more dangerous. For the GP ones, once the rpm got zero, there is no more danger, however, an EP is always a concern once it is plugged,  you have to recheck and recheck again if the throttle is in the right position, and see if  the Tho. Hold works properly.


Finally, providing the blades hit someone, the difference of GP and EP is that GP will cause immediate damage and then either the engine is killed, or the clutch looses. For the EP, it will not only cause immediate damage but also bring about continuous injury till the pilot stops it.

[ 本帖最后由 Edward 于 2010-2-28 20:54 编辑 ]
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发表于 2010-2-28 21:11 | 只看该作者
Finally I see your point, which is considered wrong by me. You mentioned a lot about the differences between a motor and an engine. You tried to tell me that the engine loses the power after the crash but the motor goes on, right? But did you realise that even if the motor can keep running upon its maximum power after the crash, can it continue doing damages to ppl? DEFELITELY NO! Because the main blades are broken and the heli falls on the ground. Yes, there is the probability that the motor can keep running at its max power even after the crash, which is without any question, but HOW CAN A HELI WITHOUT THE MAIN BLADE BUT ONLY THE RUNNING MOTOR BE HARMFUL TO PPL??? Please answer me.
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发表于 2010-2-28 21:18 | 只看该作者
According to this point that you brought up, which is "Finally, providing the blades hit someone, the difference of GP and EP is that GP will cause immediate damage and then either the engine is killed, or the clutch looses. For the EP, it will not only cause immediate damage but also bring about continuous injury till the pilot stops it.", can you tell me how the EP make continuous injury? Just because it sits on the ground and rotates like a hell does not mean it can do any continuous damage to ppl. The main blades are gone, buddy! LOL.
That is why I said that we actually don't need the theories or something like that to make ours points clear. All we need is the common sense.
Peace!
Maple
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发表于 2010-2-28 22:01 | 只看该作者
哈哈! LS两位怎么英文都冒出来了 没必要吧

我觉得maple忽略了一点,就算按你的假设在桨接触到人时立刻切掉动力,那么不管是电动机还是引擎,人体吸收的,除了桨的动能外还要加上整架直升机的动能,所有这些能量哪里来的?忽略阻力和机械摩擦,根据能量守恒,完全是电机或引擎的吧?所以功率(也就是马力)越大,危险性肯定是越大。

你说你是修汽车工业的(这个专业还是第一次听说,一般都叫汽车工程),不会是工业设计类的吧
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发表于 2010-2-28 22:36 | 只看该作者
原帖由 maple 于 2010-2-28 21:18 发表
According to this point that you brought up, which is "Finally, providing the blades hit someone, the difference of GP and EP is that GP will cause immediate damage and then either the engine is kille ...
原帖由 maple 于 2010-2-28 21:11 发表
Finally I see your point, which is considered wrong by me. You mentioned a lot about the differences between a motor and an engine. You tried to tell me that the engine loses the power after the crash ...

If the motor can keep running upon its maximum power after crashing, it can surely keeping on causing damage,  because once the rotor doesn't stop, the lift and centrifugal pull will drag the heli up and down, and will not be as you said "sits on the ground". You may not understand how hard a heli can sit on the ground sound and safe. Sometimes even the heli is in control, it will graze the blade tip, much less crash.


And for the blades, I have myself and witnessed of crashing for many times, however, I have not seen any crashs can cause completely blades broken, most of the time, the major wreckages remain on the rotor. And this causes 3 effects
1, Wreckage are more sharper than blade, and may cause much serious injury.
2, Broken blades goes with unbalance, wihch will cause centrifugal pull and as above mentioned, drives the heli mad.
3, Broken blades means less load, and can dramatically increase the rpm, so as to strengthen the 1 and 2 effects.

[ 本帖最后由 Edward 于 2010-2-28 22:41 编辑 ]
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发表于 2010-2-28 22:39 | 只看该作者
原帖由 kingown 于 2010-2-28 22:01 发表
哈哈! LS两位怎么英文都冒出来了 没必要吧

我觉得maple忽略了一点,就算按你的假设在桨接触到人时立刻切掉动力,那么不管是电动机还是引擎,人体吸收的,除了桨的动能外还要加上整架直升机的动能,所有这些能量哪 ...

Auto也可翻译为“自动”嘛,别以为人家是搞汽修的,说不定是“工业自动化”呢:em15:
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发表于 2010-2-28 22:55 | 只看该作者
原帖由 kingown 于 2010-2-28 22:01 发表
哈哈! LS两位怎么英文都冒出来了 没必要吧

我觉得maple忽略了一点,就算按你的假设在桨接触到人时立刻切掉动力,那么不管是电动机还是引擎,人体吸收的,除了桨的动能外还要加上整架直升机的动能,所有这些能量哪 ...

若要说整架直升机的动能来说,油机似乎要大些吧?貌似它比电的重呢。:em15: 动能的公式里有质量m,也有速度v,貌似没有跟马力有关的f。不想再争论什么。玩得开心就是。就当我说的是废话而已~
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发表于 2010-2-28 22:59 | 只看该作者
原帖由 kingown 于 2010-2-28 22:01 发表
哈哈! LS两位怎么英文都冒出来了 没必要吧

我觉得maple忽略了一点,就算按你的假设在桨接触到人时立刻切掉动力,那么不管是电动机还是引擎,人体吸收的,除了桨的动能外还要加上整架直升机的动能,所有这些能量哪 ...

“my major was the about auto industries”请注意auto industries我并没有用capital letters,所以它并不是一个专业名称,况且前面还有个about。
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发表于 2010-2-28 22:59 | 只看该作者
哈哈!“修汽车工业”的“修”是major in的意思,不是修理

我们学校的汽车工程叫auto engineering,进他们的实验室经常能看到一辆从中间被切开的车,还有点恐怖 :em23:
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发表于 2010-2-28 23:05 | 只看该作者
原帖由 maple 于 2010-2-28 22:55 发表

若要说整架直升机的动能来说,油机似乎要大些吧?貌似它比电的重呢。:em15: 动能的公式里有质量m,也有速度v,貌似没有跟马力有关的f。不想再争论什么。玩得开心就是。就当我说的是废话而已~

。。。肯定不是学工程的,初中物理就有的公式 p=fv知道不?就算这个不知道,能量守恒总听说过吧?其实,一开始就觉得你讲的全是bullshit。。。

[ 本帖最后由 kingown 于 2010-2-28 23:53 编辑 ]
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发表于 2010-2-28 23:10 | 只看该作者
怎么说起汽车了?又跑题了……
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发表于 2010-2-28 23:11 | 只看该作者
原帖由 maple 于 2010-2-28 22:59 发表

“my major was the about auto industries”请注意auto industries我并没有用capital letters,所以它并不是一个专业名称,况且前面还有个about。


哈哈!看你一堆ppl之类的internet slang还真以为是个小留。。。再仔细一看满篇chinglish的程度,真和班上的新加坡同学有一拼 :em26:
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发表于 2010-3-1 00:45 | 只看该作者
原帖由 kingown 于 2010-2-28 23:11 发表


哈哈!看你一堆ppl之类的internet slang还真以为是个小留。。。再仔细一看满篇chinglish的程度,真和班上的新加坡同学有一拼 :em26:

唉。最近用小号上来忘了换回去了。残念。我是不是小留这个不用你来怀疑,你觉得你有资格吗?本来上来争论些东西就争论些东西,到头来居然开始人身攻击了。回头看了一下你的回帖,知道你在欧洲某个国家留学,自我感觉很好嘛。貌似你还对某在大洋洲留学的哥们说过“大洋洲本来就是流放囚犯的地方,有小农意识很正常”什么的。出国留个学就把自己当外国人了,很佩服你啊。真给留学生丢脸!你说你留了几年学,什么地方提高了?素质?明显没有。都是中 国人,到哪里留学就分个三六九等?那我在北美留学的也压根儿瞧不起你这个欧洲回来的伪留!本来看到你以前的回复不想说什么。但是这回你主动扯上我,还就跟你较这真儿了。我告诉你,你哥哥我在北美洲留学的时候,你在哪儿呢?
还有,跟我扯英语水平,说我的是chinglish。呵呵,你用什么来说明呢?用“你觉得新加坡的英文”很烂来说明吗?哈哈,估计人家英文比你好多了吧。至少那是人家的母语。东南亚的发音不准不代表英文烂。说新加坡的英文烂,估计根本轮不上我来笑你了。真是丢人,常识的东西都不懂。
下面补几张本人在北美时的生活照。我也懒得跟你说明什么了。下次你放假回国、或者被遣送回国什么的时候,欢迎来北京找我玩儿,我这儿还有一堆当时留学的哥们儿可以给你介绍。:em00:

[ 本帖最后由 ebulahan 于 2010-3-1 16:12 编辑 ]
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发表于 2010-3-1 00:50 | 只看该作者
顺着你的意思,我也像你一样来个“恬不知耻”的个人感觉良好吧:我不知道你在欧洲的哪个小国家漂着呢。英国吗?那我告诉你说美国音的我压根儿就觉得英国音土得掉渣!不是英国?那你就更不用跟我扯英语水平了。直接ignore~ ROFL~
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发表于 2010-3-1 01:10 | 只看该作者
哈哈!见到了,论不学无术和初中物理都不及格也能学个什么汽车工业,果然还是你厉害, 小弟甘拜下风 :em15:

(PS: 新加坡人会8会讲英语,要问一问英国人民或者他们自己,就像法国人民从来不觉得Québec人民会讲法语一样哇,哈哈)
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发表于 2010-3-1 01:11 | 只看该作者
这个……大家还讲直升机吗?
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发表于 2010-3-1 01:20 | 只看该作者
这本来就是个伪命题咯,没什么讨论意义吧。
喜欢什么玩什么,本来就不需要理由
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发表于 2010-3-1 07:01 | 只看该作者
原帖由 kingown 于 2010-3-1 01:10 发表
哈哈!见到了,论不学无术和初中物理都不及格也能学个什么汽车工业,果然还是你厉害, 小弟甘拜下风 :em15:

(PS: 新加坡人会8会讲英语,要问一问英国人民或者他们自己,就像法国人民从来不觉得Québec人民会讲法 ...

果然在英国这个小国家飘着呢~
Québec法语好不好你没去过觉得你有资格评论吗?我这么跟你说吧,Québec作为加拿大一个省,但是英语根本就在那里不流通。说法语的人一向的认为自己的语言是贵族语言,觉得英文是下三烂的东西。我曾经跟我朋友从Hamilton开车去Halifax看同学,需要穿行Québec,除了Montreal和Québec City这两个旅游城市的当地人还多少会点英文,其他地方的,无论我接触的餐厅、油站什么的,是一句不会~您觉得那不是正宗法语是什么。要不然Celine Dion到巴黎开演唱会会场场座无虚席呢?
本来大家和平一点讨论东西,而且跟你还一点关系没有,那么你参与讨论,欢迎;却非要主动对我展开人身攻击。我招你还是惹你在先了?非要惹得自己一身骚你高兴了是吧?你乐意的话我奉陪。我还有一堆儿留学的哥们儿,他们压根儿就不玩儿模型,不过你若需要的话,我也可以让他们注册个ID上来陪你。
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