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客观的看一下华科尔在美国的使用情况,老美比我们有发言权。另有好软件赠送

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发表于 2007-9-12 22:13 | 只看该作者

回复 #59 myy520 的帖子

你这不是在断章取义吗!我并没有去刻意去强调XX的质量有多好吧?只是说明它可以通用其他飞机的配件,不用坏了一个就要整套一起换。
还有我再重复一遍至于什么呆不呆指的不是那些讨论华的东西好与不好的人,指的是某些不会动脑坏一个配件就换一堆而且还要来误导他人的人,是你自己硬要拿来跟那些讨论华的东西好与不好的人扯上关系,如果你还理解不透,请你从1楼开始逐个贴子读一遍

欢迎继续阅读楼主其他信息

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发表于 2007-9-13 01:41 | 只看该作者
原帖由 wohenzhuce 于 2007-9-12 02:39 发表



pal, interesting point...

Like you said,  you get what you've paid for, but it's not compareable. If i bought a Chery QQ, suerly i wouldn't spend another 10 or 20 thousand to do some upg ...


I am really sorry, I can't quite follow you. But since we are talking about how American "think" or "act", you have to look at the issue from another perspective. On the car issue, there are ten of thousands, if not millions of people in the USA are spending insane amount of money to upgrade/modify crappy cars. On the street of Los Angeles, you see 90s Honda Civic, 70s VW Bugs, 60s Ford Mustang that cost thousands of dollar to modify. People do it simply they have money to burn and Its a spending culture. Personally, I've spent no less than $200,000 USD in fixing up my various bikes. You see the Ducati under my ID? The gold Ohlins FG-470 front forks alone cost me $10,000.  The bike alone is only 18,000. When this bike was done, it totaled at around $50,000. And I have no less than 7 other similar bikes like that.

Well, back to the controller. There are mainly two types of modeler that I know of. First type is beginner who doesn't know jack about anything. So they buy Walkera because of its amazing low price and spectacular looking specs on paper. And when they crash the model, they couldn't tell whose at fault. Second type is veteran who know the best brands are Sanwa, JR, and Futaba, and everything else are junks. But since Walkera is new and cheap, they will try it and give it a shot. So if it turns out to be decent, then its a bargain. If it turns out to be crappy, it just reinforce their original assumption.

And to your "we purchase a 2000 RMB product with only 200RMB quality" assumption, it wouldn't apply to American, because for them, its "we purchase a 200 USD product with a 200 USD quality". They won't feel like they got rip off. They will just think they should be smarter and shouldn't be lured in the first place.  And like what I said in my previous post, Walkera product are viewed as cheap, cheap, and very cheap diposable type merchandise.

And to the warranty thingy you've mentioned, I can speak from experience, because I used to distribute various types of product in the US for over 15 years. Only a small percentage of people return the product to the seller. If 100 people buy a item, maybe only 5-10 people will return it. So if there are 30% profit margain on a given product and 10% of the people return it. The distributor will have a net  profit of 20%.  In addtion, you are right that American consumers get more protection than Chinese, however, that comes with a hefty price tag. Things in US cost more, because all those warranty service, free repair, and 30 or 90 days no quesiton asked exchange policy cost are already added to the product.

Service are never free, you don't get much service in China because consumers didn't pay for them. Best example to illustrate this is the dining experience differences between US and China. In the US, dining experiences are awesome, waiters and host treat customers with respect and pamper you all the way,  they will ask you every 5 mins to see what you need. But you have to tip them for no less than 20% of your bill.

Sorry for my lengthy post......
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发表于 2007-9-13 02:23 | 只看该作者
槍手~
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发表于 2007-9-13 09:16 | 只看该作者
华XX 卖的东西 占他们几天的工资 假如一个遥控是他们2天的工资

那么以你现在2天的工资也买一个相同的

你还认为他垃圾?
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发表于 2007-9-13 09:42 | 只看该作者
这个贴比较火!:em15:
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发表于 2007-9-13 10:04 | 只看该作者
这个问题不用争论了,要求不同而已,上面的兄弟用车来比喻很形象,有些人认为QQ很好,有人认为它是垃圾,要去买丰田,法拉利,花多少钱享受多少东西,不过老外觉得便宜的华X尔在国内也卖得不便宜,所以它是高价垃圾~~:em15: :em15:

[ 本帖最后由 dmagic1 于 2007-9-13 10:05 编辑 ]
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发表于 2007-9-13 11:04 | 只看该作者
我用的也是华的控,玩船
没失控过呀
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发表于 2007-9-13 13:52 | 只看该作者
:em26:
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发表于 2007-9-13 15:48 | 只看该作者
原帖由 chantaiman51 于 2007-9-13 01:41 发表


I am really sorry, I can't quite follow you. But since we are talking about how American "think" or "act", you have to look at the issue from another perspective. On the c ...



忘了你能看懂中文了,我真是多此一举:em17:
你说的部分观点我同意,每个国家都有消费文化,但是那必须要物质生活上升到一定层面的时候才会发生,我跟你的说的买QQ不会再花大钱。。。的例子是说明买QQ的人是经济能力有限的人群,如果你给他1000万你看他们会不会买法拉利,保时捷?而且这也是中国目前的社会现状。当然如果我对某一种东西狂热,而且我物质条件优越了,我可能不在乎他的价值多少,我会投入大笔钱而把他做成属于自己的东西。但是当你就业,医疗,教育,居住这些最基本的生存条件都出现问题的话你就不会那么想了。

回到美国,我同意你说的“一分钱一分货”,问题是这个法则在中国并不适用。我不相信你来了中国那么些年你就没被奸商骗过,高价买来低劣产品?你或许会想“no worries, it's cheap anyway”,但是你的Cheap是美元,不是RMB,我们挣1块RMB和你们挣1块美元是等值的。但是我们却要付出更高的价格去买那些在美元里并不值钱的东西。所以我才会跟你说“we purchase a 2000 RMB product with only 200RMB quality”因为在某种层面上来说,它就值200块。

另外你说的服务费问题,我完全不赞同,美国人把小费观念带到了各个国家,特别是在餐饮和娱乐的等服务行业,给小费是一种态度,不给小费是一种态度,甚至有些餐厅刻意降低员工的时薪,因为他们可以通过积极服务来获得消费而得到补偿。从积极的方面来看这的确能促进员工工作的热情,但是这种对工作的态度正好把人权划到了金钱之下,有钱我就能服务好,没钱就滚蛋。这种意识层面扩散到整个社会上就会变成“有钱我就能做好,没钱我就拖拉”把金钱意识树立到最高点,这就是美国的缺点。相比之下,北欧和澳洲还好些,至少还能有到民风纯朴的感觉。

BTW:别忘了,好像美国宪法规定,每种产品的利润不能超过产品本身价值的20%还是25%,我记不太清了。在美国店里买东西,基本不用砍价,砍也砍不下来多少,比如$300的东西最多能砍到$280,因为相关法律太健全了,恶意涨价是会被控诉的。但在中国。。。。嘿嘿。。。。
自己试验一下,别说中文,穿好一点,随便去电子城买个东西,MP3,数码相机啥的,你看他们是用青龙偃月刀还是用指甲刀?

[ 本帖最后由 wohenzhuce 于 2007-9-13 15:57 编辑 ]
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发表于 2007-9-13 15:50 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2007-9-13 21:47 | 只看该作者

回复 #61 tqgd 的帖子

不好意思,,可能我真没看懂你的帖,我只是觉得华的东西通用的话也需要做一定的更改,大多数人业余玩玩就没有这个条件,,包括我吧!可这不能就认为是呆吧!不习惯的只是你好像有种高高在上的感觉,动不动就说呆什么的,看你贴也知道意思是好的,,但请对新手也用平等的心态好吗,,就算我们新手现在不会换也不是就因为比你呆,,没你聪明吧,,:em22:
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发表于 2007-9-13 22:04 | 只看该作者
原帖由 逗乐 于 2007-9-9 11:08 发表
呵呵LS的,你知道DX 7吗?那就是美国的控。支持华科尔就是被说是托也无所谓了,反正我在用。总好过那些没用过就说的人

DX 7是JR代工生产的.只是贴了个美国牌子:em15:
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发表于 2007-9-13 22:35 | 只看该作者

回复 #71 myy520 的帖子

我也只是不习惯你把我的观点衍生到另一个意思和把别人的观点也揽到我身上,其实我把其他飞机的配件换到华的飞机上也不用做什么特别的改动,即使要改也不需要什么特殊的工具,我也是个业余的玩家,也什么车床洗床之类的工具,用的都是些常用的工具。举个例子吧~比如换一根横轴,如果比原来的稍微长一点很多人就以为用不了,其实你只要将其锉短一些就可以了,或者你只要在两端多加一枚垫片就行了,就这么简单你也可以试一试。
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发表于 2007-9-13 22:38 | 只看该作者
原帖由 tqgd 于 2007-9-13 22:35 发表
我也只是不习惯你把我的观点衍生到另一个意思和把别人的观点也揽到我身上,其实我把其他飞机的配件换到华的飞机上也不用做什么特别的改动,即使要改也不需要什么特殊的工具,我也是个业余的玩家,也什么车床洗床 ...


支持:em26:
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发表于 2007-11-20 21:20 | 只看该作者
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